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approach to me was as a friend, and not as an emissary from the President. The newspaper people's approach was just squirming for information.

I think it was just a little after I wrote the letter that Mary Dewson came to me and said, “We have to have an understanding about some of these things. I've definitely put myself on the record that I recommend you for Secretary of Labor. Jim [Farley] is with me on this. Jim agrees. I don't want to go and make a fool of myself any further if you're really going to turn me down.”

I said, “Well, Mary, it isn't you that's being turned down. I don't think Roosevelt wants me.”

“He'll be all right,” said she.

I said, “Be that as it may, my advice to him has to be to him. I don't want to be put over by you.”

“Well,” she said, “the Woman's Division has something to say about these things. We did an awful lot to elect him. I know I did and he knows I did. Anyhow, I want you to do it and I want you to do it for the following reasons....”

She told me the best possible reasons. She spoke of what the country needed, what I had done in New York, what I could do. The approach to these problems through legislation, through public administration was the way we had all agreed on long ago. Hadn't we been sitting up only





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