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and that.' Isn't it horrible that this thing has broken out in Syracuse?” I always had all the enthusiasm. He didn't. He was a nice, quiet person and he was an excellent righthand man for me, because he would do my bidding.

I didn't see him close-up after I left office, but I realized that he had depended more on me for leadership in all kinds of matters - not only political, but leadership and decision as to what was important and was not important. He had relied on me to tell him what was the thing to do. I hadn't realized that he wasn't participating too much when I was there, that he wasn't good at that, and that he got rattled and confused between the pressures that were applied to him. I took all the pressures when I was there. I handled them and they never reached him. If any politician met him when he was out on a code hearing, he would always listen to the politician respectfully and say, “Oh yes, that will be considered.” He was always very polite and nobody was very angry at him ever. He would report that conversation to me, but the pressure would come on me from that politician. I coped with it as best I could. I took the chance. I was the one who went and told the Governor and indicated that I didn't think we should have to pay any attention to the pressure, if that was the case.