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know he agrees with me because he thinks my heart's in the right place, not because he understands what I say.” It was really embarrassing.

Whereas, Edwards, when he came, would listen to you, put his mind on it, think about it, read the case himself, and developed a reasoning power. But like all labor men he was a little more conservative in his judgments than were the middle class reformers like me, because the middle class reformers know it can be done. Whereas, the labor men have been on the other side of the fence for so long that they really believe the employers' stories that these things can't be done. Above all, they have an instinotive feeling of protecting the job and always a fear that the employer may be right when he says that if you make him put on these machine guards and this expensive exhaust apparatus, he'll just go out of business. So Edwards would be slightly more willing to give the edge to the employer in a close question than I would have been.

I began to be a little aggressive about things that weren't any of my business while I was still just a member of the Industrial Board and not even its Chairman. I talked the Chairman into getting us some money to make a study of unemployment. We had a little depression and quite a little