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At any rate, the President raised the question. I kept very silent, purposely, until the others had all spoken. One Cabinet officer after the other spoke up. George Dern, who'd been very much interested in public works, Farley, even Dan Roper all spoke up. I remember the Attorney General speaking up and saying that it was a perfectly logical and proper thing to do since the content and the substance of the titles was so totally different, and the question of the anti-trust act did not enter into the public works at all. All that was necessary for Congress to do in order to authorize a public works program was to thereby authorize a public works program and pass an appropriation, putting it, of course, under some executive authority of the President to carry it out in detail. He thought it was a thoroughly logical and proper thing to do.

George Dern was very firm in his feeling that it ought to be entirely separate. He had been the Governor of a state. He knew all the hazards of public works. He ran over all the hazards and said it required the closest attention and great administrative experience.

Nothing was said about Johnson. The question was that Dern and others thought it would be better done separately and by someone who could give more attention to it than was