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political life. That I'm sure. She'd lived in Washington before and her idea of a President's wife, or a Cabinet officer's wife was on the pattern of what it had been when she was the wife of the Undersecretary of the Navy. You're in the White House, you receive people that you don't know, you keep your mouth shut, and you never can talk about anything interesting because that would be bad form. You never see anybody in the political group except when they come to dinner, and then in the most superficial way. That was what she'd expected to be and she really regretted it dreadfully. I talked with her before she came down to Washington and I know how sort of depressed she was about coming. This was the only time I ever saw her really depressed. She wouldn't have anything to do.

At any rate, these two girls said to her, “Couldn't you give an occasional interview? It would help the girls so much, because they'd get a story. We know the ones kicking around here who are good, honest newspaper women and are trying to get special stories and pick up a living. We'll be responsible that they're good people and won't bring you any riffraff. If you could give them an occasional interview, then they could make something out of it and it would be a great help to them.”

She thought about it and said she would ask her