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precede Mrs. Hull. You didn't have to sit on the hostess's right at a ladies' luncheon. You sat down where the wife of the Secretary of Labor would be seated. It's fairly far down the table, but still it's a good place. That was a much better arrangement. It would have been terrible the other way.

The only occasion on which this was deviated from, and this I could not control, was a dinner later on in the administration given by the President in honor of King George of Greece. The Protocol Division of the state Department had done all the seating. This was during the war and therefore quite late in the administration. My ruling that I took the same precedence as the wife of the Secretary of Labor had become commonly accepted everywhere. I always told everybody that on the telephone when people would call about seating me. I always said, “Don't listen to George Summerlin. This is where you want to seat me.” Mr. Summerlin was the Chief of Protocol and an awfully nice man, with whom I had no quarrel, except that I argued out that question with him once. He said I was quite wrong on protocol things, that he had served in foreign missions, and he knew. I said, “I know, but I'm all right when it comes to the human heart, I assure you. This will make less trouble.” I think he agreed with me that it would be a