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turned out that day, with a fine Chesterfield overcoat on that looked new to me - the velvet on the collar was absolutely unspotted. He had a beautiful top hat and was polished and scrubbed. He's a good looking man and always awfully clean looking, He's very tall and impressive that way. So I know he was around, but I daresay that he didn't have too much to say.

As I recall it, I think that Wallace, Roper, myself, and Woodin had something to say about the elements of the population that were in such disaster, so alarmed. We said that in addition to this absolutely necessary emergency action something must be done to give direction and a plan to these other elements.

George Dern, beginning with that night, made quite an impression on me. I had never seen him before and I don't know that I'd heard of him. I learned, of course, that he had been Governor of Utah and that he was a non-Mormon, and one of the few non-Mormons who had ever risen to be in any high political office in Utah. Beginning that night, what he had to say was always so very practical, so politically sophisticated without being hard boiled, that I began to think of him as a very practical man, a very reliable man, and a very humane and kind man. I remember thinking once, “How did he ever get ahead so far in politics?” because