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be doing. He would want you to debate that. Well, of course, as a political speaker you knew better than to say that. Also you didn't believe that that could be done. It didn't seem a possible thing to do.

There was a very large expectance that drastic things would be done, and I think a desire that drastic things would be done. It was that expectation that was voiced so completely in those two days, plus the circumstances of this tragic emergency that we were in, plus this team of perhaps ill-assorted people, but upon whom there ran a strong humanitarian streak, that gave you a feeling of momentous change. Whatever else they had as talents or characteristics, most of these new people had a strong humanitarian streak in them. I see that even looking at them in review now.

I don't know that I ever heard Secretary Swanson say anything, or recommend anything, that could be laid down to a strong humanitarian streak, but I always recalled that he had been a very brilliant member of a team which President Wilson sent out to Constantinople to negotiate some kind of a naval agreement between the nations for the purpose of solidifying the peace, or something of that sort. He was a great pacifist, in the sense that he believed that war could be prevented by the conscious action of intelligent men and nations. I don't mean to say that he a pacifist