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public work that would be built some day when we needed it for employment purposes.

Douglas apparently told Wallace a little more about it than Wallace already knew. I pumped Wallace and got out of him more information about the people. I had a hard time with all this. I'm almost certain that Tugwell told me when I called him on the telephone that I was mistaken and there was nothing to inquire about it. I was sure that wasn't true, so I kept on. I discovered three groups.

I decided to tell the President and to ask him to authorize me to just pry into them. So I told the President there were these groups going, that they were very secretive, that they wouldn't let anybody know what they were doing, where they were meeting, what they were thinking about, that the group that was meeting with Tugwell obviously had two parts to it. That I had found out. I had also found out that they were not in total agreement with each other. That's why they hadn't gotten along faster. They were resolving certain internal differences among themselves, or trying to, but I didn't know what they were. I faced the President outright and said, “Do you know what they are doing?”

He said, “No, I do not. They've kept it from me too. Except for what Lew Douglas has told me, I don't know anything.