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Mary Rumsey knew him much better than I did, because one of her great interests was the agricultural situation and the farm situation. I don't know how she got interested in that, but she was. She was involved in farming down in Virginia, but what they did in the way of farming down there was very simple, very easy. You took in western stock and fattened it, let it graze. That was all. She did have a background of farming, but not awfully serious. After all, old Mr. E. H. Harriman at Arden had great farms. He bought up all the farming area around there, so she was interested in agriculture. She was interested in everything. She had some finger in some experimental farm or some farm project. Anyhow, she was very much interested in farming, as she was in Indians. She had two or three special things like that that she was interested in.

She had known Peek somewhere or other and knew much more about him than I did.

I really can't elaborate on this business of “owning a man,” which Baruch is said to have indulged in. We just thought of Johnson as Baruch's man. When he came to help on a speech for the Governor to make in Albany or in New York in the campaign, we thought of him as reflecting the ideas and views of Baruch. I never gave it a second thought. I barely knew Johnson then. I just knew he was around and