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workers, in the General Electric Company that you couldn't have a contract that covered them all. You had to have eleven or twelve contracts, and even then a large part of your workers would be left out of any of your unions and you still had to have your own regulations. It would create trouble and dissatisfaction between unions. Carpenters were paid the carpenters' wage. Machine operators were paid a much lower wage. Then there would be trouble. There would be dissatisfaction and constant trouble for the management.

So Johnson began to ponder over the trade union structure. He began to lecture some of us privately on his ideas about trade unions. Finally he said, “Now I'm going to have this Labor Committee in. I'd like to talk some whole evening with this Labor Committee. They don't understand about trade unions. They don't understand what the function of the union is and I've got to tell them.”

So he called a meeting of the Labor Committee. I think he told them that they could also bring in a few other labor leaders. Anyhow some of the rest of us also went to hear what he had to say. There was quite a roomful of people - sixty, seventy-five, or a hundred people there. Some of them worked in the NRA. All of the Labor Advisory Committee and all of the people who worked for the Labor Advisory Committee were there. Probably some of the Labor