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know what it was.

Lewis at that time was also considerably in debt financially to a considerable number of the more prosperous trade unions. He had borrowed enormously. The AF of L out of its own treasury appropriated money to help the United Mine Workers. The reason that David Dubinsky and Lewis were such good friends was that the International Ladies' Garment Workers of New York came to the rescue of the United Mine Workers before 1933, during the depths of the depression when the United Mine Workers had lost so much membership, so many dues, that they couldn't even pay the regular unemployment and death benefits which they had regularly given to their members. They were in terrible condition and couldn't pay for any organizers. I've forgotten now where Lewis got the money to pay these organizers that went out in '33. I used to know, but I've forgotten it.

Anyway, Lewis kept quiet during the time the NRA was going through. He didn't talk about his plans at all. Nobody was tipped off to his plans. Nobody knew what he was going to do. But he got posters printed before the NRA bill was signed and in forty-eight hours they were in every mining community - everywhere, all down through the South. I think they even got a few into Harlan County, although he didn't bother much about that, saying he could mop it