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his sense that the owners would sacrifice the lives of the seamen any time and anywhere to the making of money on the cargo, and so forth and so on. The captains and the officers he thought should be seamen and should have come up from the seamen's ranks, but he thought they were nearly always the employer's representatives. He resented the fact that legally the captain is the employer's representative on board, although practically he understood that there had to be an employer's representative aboard. But he would say that the captain started out with the idea that he must save the ship, no matter who else perished, and that he would order seamen to do the most impossible tasks, in which they often lost their lives, in order to save the cargo or save the ship. These things he resented.

It was very hard to get down to a clear line of reasoning with Furuseth on anything, but one always respected him and respected the confidence that all the men had in him. I never knew a trade unionist who didn't respect Andrew Furuseth. By the time I became Secretary of Labor he was quite an old man, but he came to Washington occasionally, and I think was even, early in '33 or '34, living in Washington. He lived in very cheap quarters. He lived in a cheap, unheated