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people in Washington as a part of the suggestion of General Johnson of the NRA.

At any rate, these intermittent strikes went on for different purposes at different factoris. As always, they were utilized almost unconsciously as a method of organization. There certainly must have been a considerable number of people in the industry who were studying on and thinking about organization. They employed among other people a man named Garman, who was then a graduate student in the field of economics at the University of Wisconsin, or Michigan. He was an economics analyst. He's now a full professor in the Institute of Dabor Relations at the University of Illinois. I ran across him this summer (1953). He told me about a lot of things that went on behind the scenes which I did not know about because he was working for this small group that called itself a union and yet was hardly organized. Collins had employed him. Collins, somehow or other, got the money to pay his salary.

His duty had been to draw up the briefs and to make the presentation of economic facts which were put before the grievance committee, drawing up whatever their understandings were with regard to wages, hours, production schedules, and so forth and so on. This idea that production