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it is pro-public, I don't pretend to say. I know that Miss Perkins thinks it is pro-public but the public thinks it is pro-labor. If the Labor Relations Board is put in the Labor Department, the public will think it is under a pro-labor administration. We want to be sure that that isn't what is accomplished here.” Francis Biddle said the same thing.

Of course, as you look back on it and see how intensely pro-labor the National Labor Relations Board became, and how prejudiced and biased - improperly biased in favor of labor - the administration of the National Labor Relations Board became, how the public revolted from it, how the employers almost within a year had total distrust of it, one realized that Wagner couldn't have been more wrong. The Labor Department at least would have been relatively pedestrian, would have had to operate this particular agency, if it had been one of its agencies, in harmony with the general principles of the administration, whereas as an independent agency, making its own rules and regulations, and submitting them to nobody, they did get into, I think, a pretty misdirected set of policies - misconceived set of policies.