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saw to it that just as there was the beginning of an agreement, a sign that the employers and the union agreed about something or other, that a new question would be raised, or an objection would be raised, or would raise an item that hadn't been canvassed before, or that had been canvassed and settled the day before. I learned to know those signs and I was conscious of them.

Nobody, of course, paid much attention to these people as important factors. I certainly never thought of them as being a factor around the government, or around Washington, except that I spotted several of them in the United Automobile Workers in their first trip to Washington. I sensed them and got the hang of them from their behavior. I just deduced it from the way they acted, not from any announced policy.

So I was more aware of Commies, but it certainly never crossed my mind that Nat Witt was a Communist. I knew nothing about him. To this day I'm puzzled as to whether or not I ever saw Nat Witt, but I must have. When I asked, “Who is this fellow Witt?” of some of my own attorneys, they said, “Witt's a very smart fellow. He's a Harvard Law School man. He's very able. He took all sorts of prizes. He made the Law Review.