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Hopkins and Presidency to me. I never heard it talked about. But there were plenty of things that Roosevelt thought about that he didn't talk to me about. I had heard about it before the book came out. Lubin wrote a good part of that book with Harry before Harry died. Lubin told me that apparently there had been some talk about Harry's being a Presidential candidate at one time. But nothing like that was ever said to me then by Roosevelt or by anybody else in the high political echelons.

However, I was perfectly aware that Roosevelt wanted to keep Harry in a position of significance and that he was relying on him more and more. Harry was being extremely helpful to him in understanding a lot of things. Harry Hopkins was also helpful to him personally in a lot of ways that I think we don't altogether realize.

When Mrs. Hopkins died, Harry was quite sick, used up and worn out. I was very tender with him, naturally. I had known him for many years. I brought him to stay at my house for a day or so so that he wouldn't have to see everybody traipsing in. Naturally, after the funeral he went back to his own house and his little girl. Then the Roosevelts, with great insight and kindliness, asked him to stay at the White House with Diana. Sometime in those next two years, as I've said, Mrs. Roosevelt got