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or planning a labor program. When it came to knowing how many bricklayers could be transformed into other kinds of mechanics, you came up against a stone wall. A bricklayer is a bricklayer. There are just so many union bricklayers in the country. Well, you'd ask about these handymen who laid bricks. Oh, they couldn't be made into bricklayers. They couldn't plan. They couldn't see the problem.

Now, Harry Bates, the head of the bricklayers, became one of the very best men that Tracy had with him because he proved to be able to think beyond the interests of the brick-layers' union and to think of the project of getting barracks built, getting airfields built. Of course, George Meany did extraordinarily good work in organization, but that's later on.

Hillman brought down with him his lawyer, who, I think, had been his union lawyer, to help him out. However, I think the actual economic thinking and planning was contributed by Lubin. But Hillman brought these other people in, and many of them were just a confusion. They would dispute Lubin, Hinrichs and other competent economists in the government. Lubin and Hinrichs were still in the Department of Labor, but Lubin spent most of his time with them. His principal assignment form me was to work with Hillman. So was everybody's personal assignment to work with this defense agency to the