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half-developed country like that. It had hardly been run at all by the Duma. In fact, they never got to first base trying to make a democratic government.

Later on in the war I had some dealings with the Russians with regard to the International Labor Organizations. I'll go into that in great detail later. My dealings with the Russian Ambassador began a few weeks before Hull went to Russia in 1942, I think.

There were no Cabinet meetings for a while in this summer of 1941 because Roosevelt went on a trip. That was the time of the Atlantic Charter. That wasn't so awfully secret. It was pretty secret, but people sailing small boats out of those harbors on the north shore of Massachusetts saw Roosevelt on a ship. They came beck to shore and told their friends. People said they were absolutely crazy, that they had dreamed something. Then they were told to shut up if they had seen him. There were all kinds of symptoms observed by people who were summering on the north coast of Massachusetts and on the coast of Maine and who got out to sea a bit. By the time Roosevelt got to Argentia he was pretty nearly out of sight of anybody because they's a pretty nearly barren and deserted land.

However, I don't suppose that the Cabinet knew where he was going or just what he was doing. They certainly didn't know it in any official way. I seem to remember that I was darn sure that he was meeting somebody. I wouldn't have said that he was meeting Churchill necessarily, but that he was