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ought to make the bow. I, of course, knowing the kind of man Lewis was, knew that Lewis wasn't going to bow the knee either. He's just as stuffy about bowing the knee as Harold Ickes was. So I had to proceed a little diplomatically.

At any rate, I told Ickes that if he would be in his office the next day, which was Sunday - at least I think it was Sunday - that I would try to have Lewis there. I thought it was desirable that they speak on the telephone first, but if he wasn't willing, I would try to get Lewis there.

I called Lewis and I told him that so far so good. But I had difficulties on this. They both got stuffy. Neither one of them wanted to call the other. I don't quite remember how I arranged it, but I'm pretty sure that they did speak briefly on the telephone. Oh yes, I know how it was. I suggested to Lewis that he come down the next day, that Ickes would like to see him and talk it over, and it being Sunday he could slip into the Department of the Interior without being noticed. It wouldn't create any publicity in advance. It was highly desirable that there be no publicity, and certainly that it not be known that Lewis saw Mr. Ickes in advance.

That was all right, but he wasn't going to call on Mr. Ickes unless he was invited. I think I finally had to spend half the evening persuading Ickes to call Lewis and invite him to come to see him tomorrow. He came to see him the next day, Sunday, and they met for an hour or two hours in the