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little knowledge. They were the kind of judgments that a politician makes, you see - a politician from South Carolina, sitting in the Senate for many years, he'd learned to make political judgments out of the most inferior political material. That is, not politics in its big, great sense, but in the sense of the pushing of one group against the pushing of another, what they'll do and how to outwit these people - you know. With great difficulty, we finally got him to stand by Hinrichs later on, when Hinrichs was in trouble and being accused of not being willing to doctor the reports of the cost of living.

I had dealt with him then, and realized the extent to which he completely made his judgments on the basis of what people said. “Oh, but they all say it, everybody says -” you see, If you have a judgment to make you just hear what the people say, and then you do that. But I finally pressed him, and he made a complete re-examination of the whole thing, read it all over, studied it all and talked to Hinrichs, talked to everybody - bored to death with listening to Hinrichs, because he is longwinded. He stood by him eventually. He came out and said, “Well, you're right, Miss Francis. You're right. I agree with you. Hinrichs is just exactly right, and this crowd that is against him, they're dishonest, that's all. They want something rigged for them.”