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money, the Metropolitan Life Insurance put up the Paul Dunbar. They were the first good first-class housing projects that were done in New York. It wasn't public housing. That must have been way back in the early twenties. And the nicest kind of colored people live in them still. Very good houses, excellent - well built, well maintained, nicely arranged - as good as anybody's. And that we all expected.

And this business of schools. We all knew it was no problem in the North, because you didn't have them built for colored children. You never would question it. If you were going to give them education, they went where other people went, and it was never thought about.

In Denver, there was one high school that was predominantly colored - that's just the way it was.

That's the way it was and nobody thought about it. We certainly thought their facilities were as good. I don't remember their being any high school especially for colored in Boston. There might have been, and there might have been some school that, just because of its location, attracted principally colored people, you see, because they lived around it. But it was never a matter of -

But I remember during the war it was a boiling point.