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People always think of Lewis as being such a bold courageous man. The more I read of him, the more I see of a man who is absolutely fear driven.

Well, that's your psychology. I don't know anything about psychology. That's Freudian psychology and I don't know anything about it. I do know the way people impress me.

It's not Freudian psychology, it's common sense. The other side of a front like this has to be fear.

Oh no, it doesn't have to be fear. It doesn't have to be.

What else?

Well, it's a lot of things. I think he was right that there were a lot of things that entered into the pattern. It was partly his own temperament, his own personality, his physical nature, the way he's made, you know. It all enters in. You remember, he was a boy who grew up in a coal miner's family where the coal miner was a skilled miner. His father or grandfather came out from Wales. I think it was his father that came out from Wales. At any rate, he had been a skilled miner, what's called a good miner in the way they organize for mining. One man is called the “good miner.” He had been a good miner