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How about Green? How about Murray?

Well, his quarrel with Murray of course came late, and it was after the C.I.O. was trying to get rid of Lewis. There again, Hillman's motive was a movement in here. That was when that came: when the C.I.O. had begun to find Lewis an embarrassment instead of a strength. His quarrel with Murray was very intense and I think he felt it deeply. You know, I told you the story about how he met him, and as he said good-bye at their final meeting, he brushed his hands together, you know, as if you were brushing off a glove, and he said, “Well, good-bye. It was nice to have known you, philip”--putting an end forever to the idea that this was all done in heat and that they could ever make up.

At least, Murray told me that story, and I can believe it. His passions were aroused and his anger was up.

You've never described intervening or advising Lewis with regard to Lee Pressman.

I did so on more than one occasion, but I remember in particular one occasion where I had a good opportunity to discuss with him the affairs of the C.I.O. and his general plans. And I raised the question with him as to the hazard of employing and continuing to employ Lee Pressman, and I said to him, “It has come to my attention