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I always picture these men functioning in sort of a heavy-handed fashion in terms of 1945. I know they came into greater power under Truman than they had occupied before, but they were certainly here.

Yes.

I'm just curious as to why.

Well, I don't know why, except, you know that the Government was very large and expanding and growing, and there was need for everybody, and Hannegan was obviously busy.

Why did Frank Walker step down for Hannegan?

I've forgotten. Walker was very fond of Honry Wallace. They were very good friends. At the moment live forgotten why Walker got out of the Government, although he told me all about it. I guess he really felt he had to go back and tend to his business, which he'd neglected seriously for several years. And I guess he dreaded another campaign.

Well, of course he didn't run the campaign.

Yes, he took over. He ran the '40 campaign.

But not the convention. Did you think well of Hannegan?