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Well, I daresay that's correct. I don't know. I never saw the letter, and I was not, of course, on any committee at Chicago that was making the final selections. I was just a bystander, really. I was just present.

You don't remember seeing either Wickard or Wallace out there? Wickard was out there.

Yes, I remember seeing them both. It's hard to distinguish between Conventions because I remember the 1940 one so much better. Was in in '44 that Paul McNutt withdrew? No, that's '40. It was in '44 that Alben Barkley withdrew.

Now I'm beginning to get the picture of it. Barkley was obviously what is called “the people's choice.” I mean, the delegates to the Convention were awfully pleased with Barkley. It was obvious.

Was the next Convention, '48, at Philadelphia? That was when Truman came up the back way and had to wait an hour or two in the waiting rooms. It wasn't known generally that he was present. Because they didn't nominate him as quickly as they expected to. You see, there was a great row developed. That was '48. I'm getting ahead of myself there.

I remember the episode in '44 of Barkley withdrawing, because he did it with a great deal of emotion and style and so forth, and it was an obvious disappointment to the