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it was all to be made clear to you. Now, I'm calling you to ask you, won't you hold that letter out from the Press? Won't you not let it get to the Press?”

He said, “The President will put it out.”

I said, “Oh no, I'm pretty sure he won't. I've taken it up with Hopkins and it was from him I learned that you had made this hot reply.”

Anyhow, we had quite a lot of telephone conversation-- quite a long one.

He really was upset?

He was awfully upset, and he began rehearsing to me all the grievances he had, and all that he had done. “I'm an old man, and I've given these last years--these last years have been the best years I have had, and I've done everything--I've saved the President many, many troubles and I've fished him out of all kinds of hot water.” He'd fished out others, too. He said, “I've done an awful lot of things, and I've covered up things and I've put a good face on things, and this is just terrible. They throw me overboard in this rough way. It is just terrible and frightful.”

I not only talked with him, I went out to make a call on them. I knew Mrs. Jones very well. Mrs. Jones was dissolved in tears. She was just--you know, it was just the