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Anyhow, it was the next Sunday, because I was still here, and I stayed in Washington about a week. We went to church. I practically always met them at church. And Henry said to me, “Won't you come home and have a bite of breakfast?”

We talked about it then, and it was then that Henry told me, you see, that he had cleared it with the President and that the President had given him absolute permission; that there was no misunderstanding, no possibility of misunderstanding. The President had given him absolute permission to give the speech.

Did you have a feeling that Wallace was a little slick in this?

Yes. Well, I'll tell you what I said to him then. I said to him then, “I wish you'd cleared it with the State Department.”

“Well, I don't know why I should. The President certainly knows what the policy is, and if the President approves of this, it's only a modification, isn't it?”

Well, I don't know. I didn't fight with him, of course, naturally. It wasn't my business. He may have been a little bit cute. I don't know. I've never really known. I wished he had cleared with the State Department, but whether he would have broken again later or not, I don't know.