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concept was of the American idea of a proper peace treaty. They didn't expect to stick with it, you see. I mean, this was the beginning of the bargaining, and so forth.

I was in here merely to represent labor, to bring the labor concepts of the economy of every country to view.

Did you always think in terms of “a peace treaty” or, as it eventually worked out, of several treaties?

At this committee, we were thinking of a peace treaty, originally. It was exploratory. It was not a static pattern or form. It was exploratory. We were getting together the items that would be needed, whether you made a peace treaty or twenty peace treaties--that was the idea.

It seemed to me this fragmentation of the peace treaty as it finally developed was different from the original aim.

That undoubtedly was true, but at the very beginning, there may have been some thought of it, but it wasn't my duty to make a peace treaty. It was the State Department's duty to do that. Hull and the State Department were thinking in these various terms, and I was in there to not and contribute information about what labor circumstances and labor conditions were in various countries.

At any rate, Hull was building up these ideas