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largely to him and to hearing his report: what he had to say, what he had learned and what he had done in Moscow. He said again--he said it publicly as he had said it privately to me and as it had explained to me in Cabinet meeting--that he had raised the question nine times and that they had not shown themselves disposed to discuss it, and that they just wouldn't discuss it.

This was, of course, quite a blow, because I had hoped it could be included in the items for a Peace Treaty. Almost immediately after that, however--no, a year must have elapsed before I went to work on it with the President's suggestion. Because I kept raising this with the President, you know: “How are we going to get this in?”

I mean, they were getting very far advanced with the items, including a United Nations pattern and the probable breakdown into committees, or into subject matter and different agencies to carry it out, and I was very anxious that we should have an I.L.O. representation. Then Cordell Hull said, “Well, suppose you go to see the Russian Ambassador.”

By this time, it was Gromyke. There had been a change I don't remember just when--I think 1942. I don't know why Litvinof was recalled. I don't think there was any reason particularly, except that he was regarded as Both he and his wife spoke English, you see, and his wife was an Englishwoman. She was very popular here, very