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organization, and I said, “No.”

I referred to Mr. Gambs again, who was in constant contact with the I.L.O. and its constitution, as to whether that could be done. He said what I knew to be true and what I had previously said, that that can't be done because these definitions have all been made in the I.L.O., years age. The workers and the employers' groups both are extremely sensitive to any appointments that are not strictly made by the employers themselves and by the workers themselves. I pointed out that this was the strength of the I.L.O. over the League of Nations-- that it had representation, true representation, from among the people affected by its regulations, workers and employers who were free independent people. You have one worker, one employer, and two Government delegates to every conference, and the employer and employee delegates have equal vote, equal status. The employer delegates frequently join with the employer delegates of other countries, in a negative vote or a positive vote on some proposition, and so do the workers. On the other hand, they often vote with the Government delegates of their own country, and do not go into caucus and join up with all other workers. And the same way with employers.

Interviewer:

Does each man of these four have an equal vote?

Perkins:

Each man of the four has one vote. There are two Government votes, one employer vote and one labor vote. The





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