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Francis Perkins - Interview 97, side 2 - 10 May, 1955. This interview taken on a tape-recorder.

You see, by this time, United Nations was already formed and agreed upon, and they were now meeting to implement the United Nations. You remember that somebody had the idea that private organizations should have special representation, and should come before them in some kind of competent and official capacity, should be the consultative bodies--you remember? The official consultative bodies. Well, that was it.

This World Federation of Trade Unions meeting here in Paris had announced that they wanted to be, and would be and proposed to be, the official consultative body for the United Nations and for the I.L.O. They just mentioned the I.L.O., but they would be the official consultative body.

Well, I went to see Stettinius, who was in London, on this thing. I talked with Bevin about it first, of course, and Bevin was completely out of sympathy with this whole thing. He told me, “You can't trust this outfit. This is -- These Russians are running this thing to earth. You get a radical irresponsible world-wide labor movement without any controls by the unions back home. They're mouthing all kinds of resolutions over there. The less stable elements of the labor movement all over the world are in it, and the sensible