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rambunctious labor movement. The questions that are asked, and that will have to be asked by the I.L.O. sometime, are about actual working conditions. You don't need this outfit. This is a political outfit.”

Oh, I had a dreadful time. “Well...we're providing in UNESCO, you see”--which was then under consideration, it hadn't been established--“ we're providing for consultation with all kinds of private organizations, you see”--naming them, as consultative bodies. Well, I believe they were, as a matter of fact.

“But,” I said, “you don't need it in this field, because you've got the International Labor Organization--a pre-existing, old body, properly equipped, properly set up--and you don't need to ask anybody else any questions. They'll find out what you need. They'll interview the labor unions in every country. The I.L.O. will--anything that the United Nations needs to know.”

Well, they were very doubtful. Even Adlai Stevenson. I got awfully mad at him at that occasion, because he didn't seem to want to see it. I mean, he was all taken up with this idea of democracy and so forth.

They didn't commit themselves, but I saw them several times. Then I would get more reinforcements from Bevin. I kept at them. Then finally I saw Tom Connally one day. He was at this meeting, because he was foreign relations man, you see. I said to him, “Mr. Connally, we're having an awful





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