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nothing that would be difficult about it, let us vote ‘Aye'. Then, you know, we will each have our chance.”

It was a typical American individualism coming to the front. It went all right. They got away with it. To my very great surprise, it was actually reported home here, because Clarence Streit was a reporter in Geneva at that time, and he thought it was so significant that he cabled a story to the New York Times about the American employers refusing to go into the caucus.

Well, but the time '52 came, we had these fellows who had cooked up the idea that the whole scheme was wrong and that we ought not to be in the I.L.O. at all--which is what they really had come to think. This Ohio group had come to the idea that we shouldn't be bound by anything, and that the “employers' point of view” was just right. They were only too glad to go into employers' caucuses. As a matter of fact, they embarrassed us greatly. And they had embarrassed the American delegation in other years--the year before and the year before that. They'd been very, very obnoxious.

Somebody in the Department of Labor--I guess it was Mr. Zimple who had charge of these matters, and Mrs. Clara Beyer, had looked around. We had such awfully good people as Zellerbach, you see, who had gone several times. But they had looked around and found a man out in California--