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couldn't I?”

Well, he never thought of that; hadn't thought about that.

I said, “You notice that I also spoke well of the American workers and their consistent attitudes. That's true, too, although there are some very bad actors among them.”

Well, he hadn't thought of that.

I said, “It's very embarrassing away from home.”

Well, I think he got that. I think he got that idea, at least, and he was not heard from again in the public dining-rooms, but whether that's lasted or not, I don't know.

This was the chief difference I found: the tension between the three parts of the delegation. The workers had become much more vigorous and cranky. They had a man named Phil Sullivan who was there as the secretary of their delegation, and who was permanently assigned to Geneva. He was a good and intelligent man all right, and he knew how to vote, but he was very rambunctious, you know--wanted to fight all the time, no smooth talk to him.

Bob Watt, when he used to go--he was dead by now--used to have plenty of smooth talk to sort of butter his way along. However, I wouldn't say that the project has gone down too much, because on the whole the Americans came out pretty well, but largely because they had good people on the





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