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and I was in constant telephonic connection with San Francisco about the I.L.O. and about its place. Carter Goodrich had gone out for me. He was the Chairman of the Governing Body of the I.L.O., and he was there. And Phelan was there from the I.L.O., and some one from our own Department, I think probably Gambs was there for the purpose of seeing that the I.L.O. got the right treatment and wasn't pushed aside.

Kuznetzov was a problem. He was a very attractive and very agreeable man, and a very well-informed man. According to all reports, he knew his stuff, he knew the history of the I.L.O., he knew the whole pattern of economic life, and he was not too difficult to deal with but proved to be a man of considerable ability, they thought. I remember constantly telephoning to San Francisco, but it was all about these practical details of the matter.

When had there been this Dumbarton Oaks conference? That had been before Roosevelt died. That had been a very impressive affair. I don't know who they were--the foreign ministers, the ambassadors. We all gathered around a great long table and one by one they came up and signed the documents. The Cabinet officers were all at that meeting, and all observed the signing of the documents.

I remember in inking at the time that this was a little