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had been very unpopular. He thought that that unpopular cost of living study could be corrected, and Moran was going to correct that, and they were going to correct something else. They were going to correct everything. The administration had been done from a wrong point of view. I don't think he knew what he was talking about.

Interviewer:

Where did he get all these ideas?

Perkins:

I don't know where he got them, Moran had handed them to him, I think. I don't know who Moran was, but at any rate, he said all these things with kind of a bland smile. He didn't look at me exactly. He didn't look me in the eye and say them. He just looked over me and around me and said these things without seeming to know that he was saying them. I think he was the kind of a man who just repeated whatever he'd heard.

Interviewer:

Was he nervous?

Perkins:

No. He was a very nervous man, but his nerves didn't take the form of being fluttery.

Interviewer:

Was he socially gauche, or upset?

Perkins:

Well, he was socially gauche, but he didn't know that. He was bland and amiable, looked out on the world, and





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