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Yes. More than that. Smith got to everybody. Smith worked at it and worked at it. Now, I was a good friend of Harold Smith's in a personal way. I'd always been on good terms with him. But I had many a good hard argument with him about this thing, and I did not give way, because I'm sure he was wrong. I thought that a War Manpower Commission would be just a waste of everybody's time--and it was, when they finally got it.

Did you consider the other aspect, for instance, the terrific dislocation in farm labor? This was one of the goads beyond the creation of the Commission.

It was one of the goads. The dislocation was farm labor going into the industries for better pay. I never knew how bad that was and how much it was just ordinary farmers' belly-ache. There's always something wrong with the farmers.

It was real. It was one of the things that stumped Wickard in March '43. This plus the draft--no farm labor--no farm labor, no cow's milk.

Oh, yes. I remember that. That had to be accounted for. And we had to make rules for the Employment Service that they would not take, would not place a man that came