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He got it-- As I recall it, I think it began about '47. I came in in late '46, and I think it began in the spring of summer of '47. I don't think there was another year there. There may have been one more year, but I think not.

Two men who sprang from the Army, I think, had got the idea. You see, it never was very widely discussed. One of them was Kenneth Royale. He may have been Under-Secretary of Navy at one time, because he had three or four posts during the War. He was a New York lawyer, and he went to three or four different posts. The other was Gus I think he had been in the Department of the Army, and then he had been in the Attorney-General's office. Not way up at the top, either. A couple of rungs down, somewhere. Enough so that he didn't show much. The general public would not have been aware of much that he was working on or thinking about.

Tom Clark was then Attorney General, wasn't he?

At any rate, the President sent over a communication to the Civil Service Commission, marked top secret. The communication was to the effect that certain situations had been called to his attention which warranted the feeling that inside the Federal Government there might be persons who were not wholly loyal to the United States, and