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length. Anyhow, Mr. Mitchell didn't like him at all. He was quick, and Mr. Mitchell didn't like him, and he was at times pretty shallow but still he was very active. He was very much liked in the Government. He's still in the Government, and he's very much liked. I know that he learns a good deal with every year that passes. He accumulates a lot of interesting things. He did have a great deal to learn as a young person, but I think he probably has learned it. It seems to me he has. I don't see much of him now, but I thought he matured all the time.

At any rate, I didn't propose to have Flemming go to this meeting, and I could see that Mr. Mitchell was fumbling around about should it be the lawyer or Mr. Moyer. And I saw Mr. Flemming just opening his mouth to say, “I'll go, Mr. Mitchell, I'd like to take that on.” That wouldn't do, and I knew it wouldn't do for me to go, because the other people who were going to be on the committee would think that a woman had no place hearing these dirty stories about how scandalously the personnel acted. It just wouldn't do with the others who were on it.

So I quickly thought, and I said, “Mr. Mitchell, you must go yourself. Nobody else must go. This is a very important. It's very secretm and it's very important. It may be a destructive or it may be a constructive thing,