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of various people working for the Government, to think of it as not unnatural that some of them in their youth would have joined the Communist Party. That was a prominent factor in the place where they lived. Unless you had some specific proof that they had done something that was really against the interests of the United States and for the interests of a foreign country, it was nonsense to talk about their being disloyal. That was his general view.

But as the weeks went on, and he sat on this Committee longer and longer, he always reported to me, but he never would report to Arthur Fleming. Never would tell Fleming. Never would bring it up in Commission meeting. He would come in and see me privately, and tell me more or less what had been said. He began to get very alarmed about what these people produced in the way of ideas of the number of persons there were in the Government who had had a connection with the Communist Party.

Did he give you any estimate of Gus and Kenneth Royale?

Yes, he thought they were alarmists. He thought that they were alarmists. I knew Kenneth Royale. I knew him socially, but I didn't know the other man ever. What sort of man was Royale? Oh, he was kind of a pompous