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would have taken an oath of office, and have said that they bore true faith and allegiance to the United States and had no connection with enemies foreign and domestic. Among other things, you see, and this has been true since the first World War, you have to say that you are not a Communist and that you have never been a Communist. I don't think you have to say you don't know anything about it, but you have to say you're not a Communist, not a member of the Communist Party. So if you said you were not, and were, that was sufficient to put you out--if you had sworn falsely. But, on the other hand, if you had said that you had been a Communist, you didn't have to be put out for false swearing. They'd have to find another reason to get rid of you.

So there was plenty of opportunity to put them out, and we had put them out during the second world War. I wasn't in the Commission. The War was over when I came in. The holler about Communism really didn't begin till the war was over. It wasn't until then that you actually spotted things by that name. But there was, in the oath, this statement that you were not a member of the Communist Party, because between the first and second World Wars, there had been a lot of talk about Communists, you remember--that Communists had a higher loyalty, and that that Internationale had put up some kind of a claim of higher loyalty to the Communist Party. There had been a general kind of a





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