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in F.B.I. style and without much fuss or much talk about it.

Mitchell, of course, made a great fight against that, and to have it turned over to the Civil Service Commission, which could take more things into consideration. I remember now that Kenneth Royale joined with him. Kenneth Royale was no smoke-eater. I mean, he was an ordinary decent man who'd been alarmed about this sort of thing. He wasn't a roaring destructive person, by any means.

How about Gus ?

Well, I don't remember who was for what, but anyhow this is what they produced.

Then we in the Civil Service Commission set to it. At this point, I was working with Mitchell and Flemming. I think I had the idea that the Commission itself would be ruined if the Commission itself had the final say--if we, personally, said, “This person is loyal and may be restored to duty; this person has reasonable doubt of his loyalty and has got to go,” we would just be ruined.

This was on a one point. We had regularly approved the appointment of these various people on the grounds that they were suitable persons. Now, we had many cases involving moral questions which were brought up after people had been appointed for years, you see. And on those questions, we heard