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Would this be because some of them drop out of the statistical totals? They're no longer on unemployment? They're not even looking for work, not registering for work?

That's right. They're out of the labor market, yes. The problem of inferior education for blacks is as much of a problem now as it was when we last talked.

You're talking about the quality of schools or the fact that they're dropping out or both?

Both. I mean, they're dropping out I think is a reflection of the inferiority of the schools. The segregation of the public schools is as high now as it was-- certainly in northern urban communities as it was at the time of-- it's higher than it was at the time of Brown [Brown v. Topeka Board of Education].

And, of course, wasn't there that major piece in the NEW YORK TIMES just a handful of weeks ago, headlined or titled “The Resegregation of Arkansas”?

Absolutely. And Richmond, Virginia and Atlanta Public Schools-- you know, we have a very effective functional repeal of Brown. In spite of these political gains among blacks-- if you measure political gains in terms of blacks in elected office--