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of their inner cities, where the majority of blacks are confined.

Would you consider Newark [New Jersey] a particularly good example of that?

Oh, no question about it.

Newark, New Jersey.

Yes. And Mr. Kenneth Gibson has been mayor there now for over ten years or more. He's indicating that he wants to run for Governor. I didn't know if anyone dares to ask him what qualifies him to be Governor when there's no evidence that he has been particularly effective in dealing with the problems of Newark.

Would you put Mayor [Tom] Bradley of Los Angeles in a different category, or would you characterize him as different?

Los Angeles is a different situation entirely. And Bradley has been an unusual kind of black politician in that he seemed to somehow have been able to-- I don't want to say transcend, but bypass race. Somehow, from the very beginning, except maybe in the first-- I'm having difficulty getting the right words-- when he first ran against [Sam] Yorty and lost, race was a factor, because Yorty made that very clear, you know,