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to me-- and I think there's no particular reason why he should-- what's your apparatus? What's your mechanism for taking your message and making it an ongoing, sustained, positive program?

Of course, wasn't that part of Adam Powell's problem? He could be effective when he'd come up with a Powell Amendment, using it in a parliamentarily obstructionist way from the standpoint of the other side.

Except I wouldn't see the Powell Amendment as obstructionist.

No. But I mean it was obstructionist to some other people. But once he would have achieved an objective there, there wasn't much follow-through as far as helping the civil rights movement.

Except it did provide a sort of a momentum for the civil rights movement. It provided also a kind of a base upon which more solid developments in the civil rights movement could--

Well, of course, and that's when NAACP was more effective?

That's right.

CORE was even more effective than NAACP in some kinds of