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She thinks that I incited the riots in Harlem with Haryou. No, she was saying that any time I get involved in something there's always some explosion. As calm and easygoing as I am. [LAUGHTER] No, she was playing with me.

And, of course, some place in this period there were also the Sharpsville riots, were there not?

No, the Sharpsville riot was before.

Before?

Oh, yes. Poor South Africa!

What do you feel the situation is as far as the potential impact of any substantial disinvestment, or even just discontinuation of further investment?

I think the latter is more likely. Disinvestment is not an easy thing, as I see it. Why? Because international economics-- the economy in the world now is so inexplicable-- the financial-- I think the threat of disinvestment is an effective technique. The actuality of disinvestment is not very likely.

Of course, wasn't it only a few days ago in the NEW YORK TIMES that the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of IBM wrote