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in the homelands, because I don't think very many blacks would be able to afford them.

And there's probably an electrical shortage?

That's right.

And electricity servicing charges too?

So that's my view of South Africa. It's a very pathetic country and its pathos involves all kinds of inconsistencies, irrationalities, including its government's policies.

Could we come to the PLO in the context of American black interest? We've talked about Andy Young and his treating, at least informationally, in some fashion with the PLO. What do you believe Andy Young was trying to accomplish in developing a liaison?

Exactly what he said. Andy Young was just saying what my former friend, confidante, Professor Ralph Bunche had said years before, that in order to have any kind of peace, eventual peace, in the Middle East, one had to take into account the reality that the Palestinians were human beings. There had to be communication. And to this day I can't understand our government's position on that. I really can't. These are human