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beings, whose interests have to be taken into account. And this
is what Andy was saying, that communication had to help people.
And the fact is that it was not only Andy who had been in
communication with the PLO representatives. Other people in the
State Department had been in quiet communication with them. But
for some peculiar reason, Andy's attempts were made a major front
page issue, and the Carter administration-- he was required to
resign. I've never been able to understand that.
Carter was not as adamant about not dealing with the
Palestinians, was he, as the Reaganauts are?
How adamant are the Reaganauts? They're not dealing with
anybody, it seems to me. Carter at least had campaigned it. I
don't understand the Reagan administration in terms of the Middle
East at all. I don't know what they're saying or what they're
doing. One time Mr. Reagan says that under no circumstances is
he going to pull the American Marines out of Lebanon, that Tip
O'Neill can retreat if he wants to, but he-- two weeks later the
Marines were leaving Lebanon. And I find it fascinating that our
press didn't see this as a curious inconsistency. But maybe
we've just gotten used to inconsistencies in the Middle East.
Become a little jaded?
Yes. You know. I was at a meeting at the Council on
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