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Yes, I believe you did mention that. Take, for instance--

Newark.

Pardon?

Newark. The kind of decision-making power that really affects positively the status of the masses of blacks.

Yes. For example, would you hypothesize that even though there's a William Gray, now the Chairman of the House--

Budget Committee.

Budget Committee. That to the extent that he will have influence as the Budget Committee Chairman, it may not give blacks any extraordinary help.

I don't think it would. Maybe I don't know enough about the economics of budget making procedures, which seem to me to be very complex. That it could be focussed in any way in terms of the status of any ethnic group. From what I understand about his position, he is a pragmatist, hard-nosed about the budget in general. Which, by the way, may be a wise position for him to take, looking at the budget as a whole rather than in terms of any specific component. What I gather--now please, I'm not talking from any specific knowledge here--Mr. Gray is pragmatic enough to look at the social